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>> YOU CAN HOLD VERY DISPARATE OPINIONS AND ALSO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS WORK DEMANDS OF US, IF I WAS ONLY WILLING TO SPEAK WITH PEOPLE WHO AGREED WITH ME ALL THE TIME I WOULD BE SITTING AT HOME LOOKING.

>> THE MAN KNOWN AROUND THE WORLD FOR BUILDING BRIDGES WITH TRUMP TO STANDING FIRM AGAINST BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, AMERICA'S MEDIA LANDSCAPE, THE MIDTERMS AND THE FUTURE OF HIS CITY, MY EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH MAMDANI.

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>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM, EVERYONE.

I'M, AT THE UNITED NATIONS AND WORLD LEADERS ARE GATHERING BEHIND ME, PRESIDENT TRUMP, FROM THE PODIUM AGAIN, THREATENED IRAN SING IT FACED A CHOICE BETWEEN MAKING A DEAL TO END THE WAR, OR ANNIHILATION.

BUT WHEN IT CAME TO ALLIES, HE WAS MORE SUBDUED THIS YEAR THAN LAST, INSTEAD OF WARNING THEM THAT THEY WOULD ALL GO FOR THEIR POLICIES, TODAY, TRUMP WAS SLIGHTLY WARMER TO SOME OF HIS LONG-STANDING PARTNERS, THOSE WHO HE SPENT ALL YEAR ALIENATING AND FOR THEIR PART, MANY OF THESE PARTNERS NOW, LOOK TO DEFEND THEIR OWN INTEREST FROM TRUMP INSTEAD OF BENDING THE KNEE.

SO, BRAZIL'S PRESIDENT LULA TOLD THIS PROGRAM, JUST YESTERDAY, THAT TRUMKA NO LONGER ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR TOWARDS OTHER NATIONS AND OF COURSE, CANADA IS LOOKING FOR NEW ALLIANCES, MANY BLOCKS ARE FORMING AROUND THE WORLD TO DEFEND MULTILATERALISM.

THERE IS ONE POLITICIAN, THOUGH, WHO IS MANAGING TO MAINTAIN A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THIS PRESIDENT WHILE ALSO STRONGLY DISAGREEING ON POLICY.

HE IS ZOHRAN MAMDANI, THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST AND FIRST MUSLIM MAYOR OF THIS CITY, ALSO, HE IS KNOWN THE WORLD OVER.

RIGHT AFTER MEETING WITH TRUMP, HERE IN NEW YORK, BOTH OF THEM ARE NEW YORKERS OF COURSE, HE JOINED ME FOR AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW AT CITY HALL.

>> MR.

MAYOR, WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.

>> THANKS FOR COMING, SUCH A PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU HERE.

>> BEFORE WE SAT DOWN YOU WERE MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT AND YOU HAD A PRESS AVAILABILITY SO WE WERE ABLE TO SEE YOU AND MONITOR CLOSELY.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PRESIDENT IS ON HIS BEST BEHAVIOR WHEN HE'S AROUND YOU.

HE IS DIGNIFIED, POLITE, SPEAKS GENTLY AND OF SUBSTANCE.

IT SEEMS LIKE HE QUITE LIKES YOU.

IT'S QUITE A RARE THING FOR A LEADER TO HAVE THAT KIND OF ENCOUNTER WITH HIS PRESIDENT.

SO I WANT TO KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE A TRICK, WHETHER YOU HAVE SORT OF A WAY OF DEALING WITH HIM, WHAT DO YOU TALK ABOUT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS?

>> WELL, I THINK OF THE MANY DIFFERENCES OF OPINION THAT THE PRESIDENT AND I HAVE WE HAVE ONE THING THAT BRINGS US TOGETHER WHICH IS THE LOVE OF NEW YORK CITY, AND WE ARE BOTH NEW YORKERS, AND, WHAT I FOCUS ON IN HIS CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PRESIDENT, IS HOW WE CAN MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THE PEOPLE WHO CALL THE CITY THEIR HOME.

SO TODAY, WHEN WE SAT DOWN FOR THE MEETING AT GRACIE MANSION, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP TO THE PRESIDENT WE SPOKE ABOUT SUNNYSIDE YARD, THE POTENTIAL FOR BUILDING 12,000 NEW HOMES IN A CITY WHERE A LACK OF HOUSING IS THE NUMBER ONE DRIVER OF THE COST OF LIVING CRISIS.

WE SPOKE AS YOU HEARD THE PRESIDENT SAY, ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING STABILITY TO HAITIAN NEW YORKERS MESS THE PRESIDENT SAID, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS, I BROUGHT THIS UP AND I DID SO BECAUSE HAITIAN NEW YORKERS ARE EVERY BIT A PART OF THE CITY AS MYSELF AND THOSE WHO WORK AT CITY HALL, AND I HEARD ABOUT THIS NOT JUST FROM THEM BUT ALSO, FROM DEVELOPERS, HOSPITAL EXECUTIVES, LEADERS OF THE INDUSTRY THAT POWER OUR CITY'S ECONOMY, ABOUT THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THE LACK OF STABILITY.

>> YOU ARE REFERRING DIRECTLY TO THE TPS, THE PROTECTION FOR THE HAITIANS AND OTHERS WHICH IS BEING ANNULLED, AND THEY HAVE A DEPORTATION WAVE, FOR MANY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BRUTAL POLICY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, THE DEPORTATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE HOUNDING OF ANYBODY WHO LOOKS A DIFFERENT COLOR WHETHER THEY HAPPEN TO HAVE THEIR PAPERS OR NOT.

AND I WONDERED, HOW DOES HE ENGAGE ON THAT PARTICULAR HUMAN ISSUE WHEN YOU AS THE MAYOR OF THE CITY, WHICH IS SO DIVERSE, TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.

>> I APPRECIATE IN THAT CONVERSATION, THE PRESIDENT NOT ONLY HEARD ME BUT IS CLEARLY CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS THAT I SAID, AND, IT'S OF IMMENSE IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY AT LARGE AND THAT'S WHY IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PRESIDENT ABOUT OVER THE PHONE AND HAD SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT IT IN PERSON AND WHETHER IT'S TPS FOR HAITIAN NEW YORKERS OR IT SUNNYSIDE YARD, THE CONVERSATION ALWAYS COMES BACK TO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU NEW YORKERS NEED AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE CAMPAIGN, EVEN WHILE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE AS THE MAYOR, I WILLING TO SPEAK TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO HAS THE ABILITY TO DELIVER FOR NEW YORKERS AND WE KNOW PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS THAT ABILITY AND HAS THAT INTEREST.

>> I JUST WONDERED, IF YOU THOUGHT YOU MIGHT GET TO THIS WORKING RELATIONSHIP ONE, HE WAS CALLING YOU, ALLUDED TO, RADICAL, PROBABLY A COMMUNIST AND YOU WERE CALLING HIM A FASCIST AMONGST OTHER THINGS.

THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

>> WELL, I THINK WE HAVE BOTH SAID THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION IF IT COULD BENEFIT THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY AND TO ME, YOU CAN HOLD VERY DISPARATE OPINIONS AND ALSO BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THIS WORK DEMANDS OF US.

IF I WAS ONLY WILLING TO SPEAK WITH PEOPLE WHO AGREED WITH ME ALL THE TIME I WOULD BE SITTING AT HOME LOOKING IN THE MIRROR.

>> I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T BRING UP THE BIG THING THAT IS ROILING THE MEDIA INDUSTRY AND COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE MEDIA LANDSCAPE, AFFECT EVERYBODY INCLUDING NEW YORKERS, I. E. THE CONSOLIDATION OF MEDIA POWER UNDER ONE NEW MERGER.

AND THAT WAS ANNOUNCED A SETTLEMENT, TODAY.

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, IN TERMS OF, IN TERMS OF HOW THAT MIGHT AFFECT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET NEWS FROM VARIOUS DIFFERENT PLACES, INDEPENDENT NEWS, DO YOU FEEL AS MAYOR, THAT IT SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS YOU OR AFFECTS THE CITY?

>> YES.

I THINK IT AFFECTS THE CITY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT LEAVES ME INCREDIBLY CONCERNED WHILE I SO APPRECIATE THE VALIANT EFFORTS OF OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL, TISH JAMES AND FIGHTING FOR PROTECTIONS FOR THE WORKERS HERE IN NEW YORK CITY WHO CREATE SO MUCH OF THE FILM THAT WE LOVE AND ADORE, I'M ALSO INCREDIBLY CONCERNED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S DECISION TO ALLOW SUCH A MERGER TO PROCEED BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, THIS IS THE CONSOLIDATION OF MEDIA, THIS IS PART AND PARCEL OF WHY SO MANY AMERICANS HAVE A DIMINISHING FAITH IN MEDIA AND IT SPEAKS TO A LARGER CORPORATE CONSOLIDATION ACROSS SO MANY SECTORS AND INDUSTRIES THAT DRIVE UP PRICES, REDUCE THE BREATH OF OPINION THAT IS SHARED ON THESE PLATFORMS AND LEAVE US WITH A POPULATION THAT LOOK TO THESE EXAMPLES, EXAMPLES OF WHY THEY CAN'T TRUST WHAT IT IS THAT THEY SEE ON TV.

>> AND THE OTHER ISSUE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE PRESS AVAILABILITY WITH THE PRESIDENT AND YOURSELF, REGARDING HIS BAN ON CNN, POLITICO, AND MS NOW.

WHICH AS YOU KNOW, THE THREE ORGANIZATIONS ARE PURSUING THE CASE IN COURT.

THEY BELIEVE IT VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

OKAY, TELL US WHAT YOU SAID WHEN YOU ARE ASKED THAT QUESTION.

>> WHAT I SAID IS I BELIEVE IN A FREE PRESS AND I BELIEVE IN THE IMPORTANCE OF ENGAGING IN QUESTIONS FROM ALL THE MATTER WHETHER THEY ARE BASED IN COMPLEMENT OR A CRITIQUE AND EVEN IN OUR PRESS AVAILABILITY TODAY, YOU SAW THAT WE SPOKE TO REPRESENTATIVES FROM CNN, FROM MS NOW, POLITICO, FROM THE CITY REPORTER, FROM A WIDE VARIETY, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL CONTINUE UNDER MY ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S A CRITICAL PART OF THE FOURTH ESTATE BEING ABLE TO DO ITS JOB.

>> WITH THE PRESIDENT COULDN'T GET OFF THAT I --HIGH HORSE AND HE DID KEEP TELLING THE ASSEMBLED PRESS THAT IT WAS FAKE NEWS, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE REST OF IT, PROPAGANDA, AS HE SAID, AGAINST HIM.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS AS A PUBLIC SERVANT, AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, DO YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP A THICK SKIN, I MEAN HOW DO YOU TAKE, IF YOU DO TAKE, NEGATIVE CRITICISM, YOU HAD A PRETTY CHARMED CERTAINLY AS MAYOR, YOU HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PUBLICITY, YOU SEEM TO REALLY TOUCH A NERVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD, ACTUALLY BUT WHAT IF PEOPLE COME AND START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT YOU DO LIKE THEY DO ON PRESIDENT TRUMP'S POLICY.

>> I WOULD SAY, YOU CAN PICK UP A COPY OF THE NEW YORK POST ANY DAY OF THE WEEK AND YOU WILL FIND ME ON THE COVER.

I WILL STILL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE NEW YORK POST BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S ALSO WHAT IT MEANS TO BE IN NEW YORK CITY POLITICS TO ENGAGE WITH NEW YORKERS, IF I WERE TO SHIELD MYSELF FROM CRITIQUE I WOULD HAVE TO ASK IF I WAS ACTUALLY LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY BECAUSE EVEN WHEN SOME PEOPLE GIVE YOU COMPLIMENTS IT SOUNDS LIKE A CRITICISM.

>> AS YOU KNOW, MUCH OF THE WORLD HAS HAD TO ADJUST YOU KNOW, SORT OF MOVE AND SHAKE AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK AROUND THE PRESIDENT'S POLICIES TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

YOU'VE BEEN MEETING SOME OF THE WORLD LEADERS, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR NEW YORK, IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP AROUND THE WORLD RIGHT NOW?

YOU SPOKE TO PRESIDENT LULA.

>> IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE TO SPEAK WITH PRESIDENT LULA DIRECTLY AND HAVE THE CHANCE TO TELL HIM JUST HOW MUCH OF AN INSPIRATION HE'S BEEN TO SO MANY OF US ON THE LEFT AND HOW HE HAS SHOWN WHAT IT CAN LOOK LIKE TO DELIVER FOR WORKING PEOPLE USING THE POWER OF POLITICAL OFFICE.

EVEN BEFORE I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET HIM I SPENT A FEW DAYS AT THE U 20 WHICH IS WHERE WE HOSTED MAYORS FROM ACROSS THE WORLD AND I SAT DOWN WITH THE MAYOR OF PARIS, BARCELONA, AMSTERDAM, MILAN, ROME, SO MANY OTHERS, FREETOWN, AND WHAT I REALLY LEFT WITH WAS SUCH AN APPRECIATION OF THE IMPORTANCE OF NOT JUST THE CONVERSATION, BUT, THE COMMITMENT TO TACKLING PROBLEMS THAT ARE FAR LARGER THAN ANY ONE CITY AND WE SIGNED A COMMUNIQUE THAT WAS INTEREST -- THE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, THE CLIMATE CRISIS, AND THE QUESTION OF MIGRATION, AND I CAME OUT OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH IDEAS, THINGS THAT HAVE WORKED ELSEWHERE.

>> YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT, HE WAS ASKED WITH YOU, GETS THE NOTION OF AFFORDABILITY WHICH IS PLAGUING SO MANY PEOPLE?

>> I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THE PRESIDENT.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT TO ME, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, YOU HAVE TO DIAGNOSE WHY IS IT NOT A FACT OF LIFE FOR NEW YORKERS, THE NUMBER ONE REASON THIS CITY IS HOUSING.

I SAID IT ON THE CAMPAIGN I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO LOWER THE COST OF RENT AND A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM BUILDING MORE HOUSING BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THIS CITY IS IT'S TOO HARD TO BUILD THE KIND OF HOUSING THAT'S NECESSARY TO MAKE A DENT ON THESE PRICES BUT ONE WAY YOU CAN DO IT IS TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLE OF LAGUARDIA AND FDR AND HAVE A FEDERAL PARTNERSHIP, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO WITH SUNNYSIDE NEW YORK.

>> THE MIDTERMS ARE COMING UP, AGAIN, IS NOT JUST IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNTRY BUT THE WHOLE WORLD IS LOOKING AT IT, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNITED STATES AFTER THE MIDTERMS.

AND, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU, SO FAR HAVE BEEN A BIT OF A KINGMAKER, THE PEOPLE WHO YOU HAVE BACKED HAVE WON IN MANY PRIMARIES AND OTHERS, DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA HAVE WON AND OTHER KEY STATES, KEY CITIES, WE, IN EUROPE HAVE THIS THING CALLED SOCIAL DEMOCRATS, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, THEY MAY, YOU KNOW, COALITION GOVERNMENTS AND THEY ARE IN OFFICE AND THEY GOVERN AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT FOR DECADES.

IS A SOCIAL DEMOCRAT A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST?

WHY DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE AFRAID OF IT AND PLAN TO WEAPONIZED IT IN THESE MIDTERMS, CRAZY COMMUNIST, RADICAL LEFT, THE WHOLE LOT.

>> I THINK THE ATTEMPT AT FEAR MONGERING IS A LONG, SAD FACT OF AMERICAN POLITICAL LIFE, FOR MANY YEARS, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOCIAL SECURITY WAS FIRST INTRODUCED, IT WAS CLAIMING THAT IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO SOVIET THE COUNTRY AND WE SAW SO MANY THINGS WITH WHAT IS EMBRACED NOW AS A FACT OF LIFE IN THE COUNTRY THAT WE HOLD DEAR AS OUR OWN.

AND, I'VE SEEN YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF MY TIME IN OFFICE, I'VE BEEN PROUD TO DESCRIBE MYSELF AS A DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST, AND I'VE ALSO FOUND THAT MORE NEW YORKERS ARE LESS INTERESTED IN HOW I DESCRIBE MYSELF AND WHETHER THERE IS ROOM FOR THEM IN THAT DESCRIPTION.

THEY WANT TO KNOW, DOES THAT MEAN YOU WILL FIGHT FOR ME BECAUSE HERE IN NEW YORK CITY, THERE'S BEEN A FADING SENSE OF RELEVANCE OF POLITICS TO THE STRUGGLES OF WORKING PEOPLE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT TO ME, WHAT DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM IS, IT'S THE TRANSFORM OF DEMOCRACY FROM AN IDEAL OR VALUE INTO SOMETHING MATERIAL.

SO INNER- CITY WE ARE FOCUSED ON WHAT WE CALL POTHOLE POLITICS WHERE, WE'VE PAID MORE THAN 200,000 POTHOLES IN NINE MONTHS, 747 LANE MILES FROM HERE TO NASHVILLE, THAT'S THE DISTANCE AND WE'VE DONE THAT WHILE DELIVERING THE FIRST EVER FREE CHILDCARE SEATS.

>> MANY MAYORS HAVE NOT BEEN AS CLEVER ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS, LEANING INTO THEIR CONNECTION WITH THEIR VOTERS.

YOU ARE SORT OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF POLITICIAN, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK, YOU ARE ONE WHO IS JOYFUL, IS SMILING, YOU ARE A LITTLE LIKE THE ALCARAZ OF POLITICIANS.

HE SHOWS THAT HE IS JOYFUL ON EVERY TENNIS COURT.

DO YOU THINK THE DEMEANOR OF A POLITICIAN IS IMPORTANT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO SELL POLICIES?

WHAT INSPIRES YOUR GOOD HUMOR?

>> I HAVE TO CREDIT MY LATE GRANDMOTHER WHO RAISED ME WITH A NOTION THAT SMILING WAS A GOOD THING.

IT WAS ALSO WHAT IT MEANT TO SHOW YOUR LOVE TO THOSE AROUND YOU.

AND, TO ME, IT'S LESS OF, PUTTING ON A DEMEANOR, IT'S MORE ABOUT BEING YOURSELF BECAUSE WHAT PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF, IS A SENSE OF POLITICS AS ARTIFICE, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THAT IT'S ACTUALLY REAL AND IT'S RELEVANT, AND WHAT I FOUND IS, THE REASON POTHOLES ARE SO IMPORTANT TO PHIL, IT'S NOT JUST TO MAKE THE NEW YORKERS WRITE SMOOTHER, ALSO IF THEY LOOK OUTSIDE THEIR WINDOW AND THEY SEE A POP --POTHOLE THAT HASN'T BEEN FILLED, HOW WOULD THEY BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DELIVER UNIVERSAL CHILDCARE IF YOU CAN'T DELIVER ON THE SMALL SPRING OF THEIR LIFE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM TOO BIG, AND TO ME, I ALSO HAVE THE GREATEST JOB IN THE WORLD, SO IT'S A NATURAL THING TO SMILE AND YOU GET TO BE THE MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE NEW YORK KNICKS HAVE WON THEIR FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP.

>> IT'S PRETTY SPORTY.

>> ONE DAY FOOTBALL WILL COME HOME.

>> IT DIDN'T THIS YEAR.

>> BUT YOU ARE AN ARSENAL FAN.

>> THIS WAS A TOUGH WEEKEND.

>> WE ARE AN ARSENAL FAMILY.

>> WE WERE SADLY DEFEATED BY BRIGHTON.

>> 3-0.

>> OKAY, REGARDING YOUR POLITICS AND YOUR KING MAKING ABILITIES AS HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED -- >> I MUST --THERE'S ONE THING OF NEW YORK AND THAT IS JALEN BRUNSON SO I WOULD GIVE THAT TO HIM.

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

>> THE THING IS, OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE CONCERNED, NOT EVERYBODY BELIEVES THAT AMERICA IS READY ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, TO NECESSARILY ELECT PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE LEFT, IT'S USUALLY CONVENTIONAL WISDOM THAT SAYS IT'S MORE THE MODERATES WHO TEND TO GET THE NATIONAL ELECTION AND THE VOTE.

ARE YOU CONCERNED THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE BEYOND THE PRIMARIES THAT YES, YOU ENERGIZE, ALL THE OTHERS WHO I'M NOT GOING TO MEAN, ENERGIZE, THEY BROUGHT YOUNG PEOPLE IN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME BUT WILL IT TRANSLATE ON A NATIONAL LEVEL AND WILL THE MIDTERMS NOT JUST BE A REFERENDUM ON TRUMP BUT A REFERENDUM ON THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF AMERICA.

>> I THINK THIS WILL ABSOLUTELY TRANSLATE, AND THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT IS WELL WE ARE AN EXCEPTIONAL CITY, IT'S THE GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD, WE ALSO KNOW THE STRUGGLES THAT NEW YORKERS ARE FACING ARE THE STRUGGLES THAT WORKING-CLASS AMERICANS ARE FACING.

I SAY THERE'S ONLY ONE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY AND IT'S THE WORKING CLASS.

AND THEIR INABILITY TO AFFORD HOUSING, CHILDCARE, EVEN PUBLIC TRANSIT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND ANY ONE CITY.

AND WE THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL POLITICAL PROGRAMS LOOKING LIKE IN THIS COUNTRY, ONE COMES BACK TO THE NEW DEAL AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE WORDS OF FDR, AND YOU READ THOSE QUOTES TODAY, YOU WOULD BE TOLD THE SAME THING, THIS SURELY COULDN'T WORK ON A NATIONAL LEVEL BUT THAT WAS A MOMENT IN TIME WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS NOT ONLY SYNONYMOUS WITH WORKERS BUT ALSO INCREDIBLY POPULAR WITH THOSE WHO WERE SEEKING TO SUPPORT.

>> DO YOU THINK THEY'VE LOST IT?

>> I THINK IT'S A SAD FACT THAT TO FIND AMBITION IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WE HAVE TO LOOK TO HISTORY BOOKS AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT IS CHANGING IN THIS MOMENT AND WE UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SIMPLY STAND UP TO FEDERAL POLICIES WE DISAGREE WITH AND WE ALSO HAVE TO STAND UP FOR AN ENTIRE WORKING CLASS THAT'S BEEN LEFT BEHIND BY POLITICS THAT'S COME TO THINK OF POLITICS AS A HOBBY ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.

>> YOU THINK YOU WILL GO ON THE ROAD TO CAMPAIGN FOR SOME OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS, RUNNING FOR ELECTION IN THE MIDTERMS?

>> WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROAD, MY FOCUS IS POTHOLES ON THE ROAD IN NEW YORK CITY.

>> KNOW IN MICHIGAN?

>> THE EFFECTS OF WHAT HAPPENED AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY HAVE AN IMPACT ON NEW YORK CITY, WHETHER WE HAVE A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE OR SENATE, IT HAS AN IMPACT ON NEW YORK CITY AND I'M HOPEFUL THIS NOVEMBER WE WILL SEE SUCCESSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> THIS IS WHAT THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE MIKE JOHNSON PUT ON X IN AUGUST ABOUT ABDUL I'LL SAY IT, DEMOCRATS NOW OPENLY EXPRESSED DISDAIN FOR AMERICA AND EMBRACE THE DANGEROUS, DEADLY PATH OF COMMUNISM WHICH IS IN ALL CAPS.

WE MUST STAND IN -- AND FIGHT FROM BEING OVERRUN BY MANY MAMDANI'S.

>> I'M ONLY 5'11".

LOOK, I THINK HE WOULD RATHER TALK ABOUT ME THEN TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT SO MUCH OF THE REASON THAT COST OF LIVING IS GETTING EXACERBATED IS BECAUSE OF CURRENT FEDERAL POLICY.

AND, WHAT I SEE IS A FOCUS, YOU HEAR IT FROM HIM, HE TALKS ABOUT MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, MONEY IN YOUR POCKET, MEDICARE FOR ALL, THAT GETS TO THE HEART OF WHAT SO MANY AMERICANS ARE WORRIED ABOUT, WORRIED ABOUT THE CORPORATIZATION OF OUR POLITICS, WORRIED ABOUT THEIR INABILITY TO AFFORD HEALTHCARE AND THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR ABILITY TO AFFORD DAY-TO- DAY DIGNITIES OF LIFE AND WHAT WE NEED TO SEE ACROSS THE COUNTRY, A COUNTRY WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR IS ONE THAT WERE THINKING --WORKING PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.

LOOK AT THE CITY, IS THE WEALTHIEST CITY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, AND ONE IN FOUR NEW YORKERS ARE LIVING IN POVERTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT MICHIGAN, YOU WILL FIND MANY WORKING PEOPLE WHO FEEL THE SAME NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY WORK THEY ARE STILL BEHIND AT THE END OF IT, THAT HAS TO CHANGE AND IF WE DON'T CHANGE THAT, WE WILL LOSE THE SOUL OF THIS COUNTRY WHICH IS THE WORKING PERSON THAT HELPS TO POWER IT EACH AND EVERY DAY.

>> YOU SAID EARLIER, THAT YOU WANT TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY FOR ALL NEW YORKERS, AND THAT'S YOUR JOB.

AND THAT'S YOUR BELIEF, AS YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF WORRY AND FEAR STILL AMONGST THE JEWISH POPULATION AND THE JEWISH COMMUNITY AND PERHAPS AROUND THE COUNTRY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS, NOW, WE HAVE VIDEOS, WE SEE YOU IN JEWISH NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU ARE BEING WELCOMED BY HASIDIC COMMUNITIES, YOU ARE ALSO BEING HECKLED BY SOME.

THE TIME YOU SAID IN THE INTERVIEW THAT YOU WOULD LOOK INTO OR ORDER THE ARREST OF BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, WHO'S BEEN INDICTED, EVEN SOME OF YOUR SUPPORTERS SAID, YOU BECAME A BRIDGE BREAKER THEN, INSTEAD OF A BRIDGEBUILDER.

IN RETROSPECT, DO YOU THINK THAT WAS A MISTAKE TO TALK ABOUT ARRESTING, IT WASN'T IN YOUR PURVIEW, WAS IT A MISTAKE, YOU THINK YOU ADDED TO THE FEARS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY?

>> WELL, I HAVE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT THE WAY THAT I SEE THE WORLD, AND I ALWAYS ONLY --OH NEW YORKERS THAT HONESTLY.

I BELIEVE BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS A WAR CRIMINAL AND HAVE ALSO BEEN HONEST WITH NEW YORKERS THAT NEW YORK CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CARRY OUT THE ICC, THEIR WARRANT, WHICH AS YOU SAID HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE HONORED BECAUSE WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS A FAITH IN OUR POLITICS, FAITH AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

I RECENTLY MET THE MAYOR OF THE HAGUE HERE AND THE KEY THING HE KEPT EMPHASIZING WAS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE RULE OF LAW AND IF THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT DEEMS SOMEONE WORTHY OF AN ARREST BECAUSE OF A VIOLATION OF THOSE LAWS, AND WHO ARE WE TO SAY ANYONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THAT, AND I THINK VERY CLEARLY EVERYONE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

>> YOU PROBABLY READ THAT OR YOU KNOW THAT THE CURRENT TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO DESTROY THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT AND THEY ARE MAKING GREAT INROADS INTO DOING IT, AND IT MAY HAPPEN, THEY'VE ALREADY SANCTIONED INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE OF THESE INDICTMENTS.

AND IT IS THE ONLY INSTITUTION THAT ACTUALLY TRIES TO HOLD PEOPLE, INDIVIDUALS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MOST HEINOUS CRIMES.

AND IT'S ALL ABOUT INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY SO THERE'S NO COLLECTIVE, DO YOU WORRY, DOES IT MATTER TO THIS CITY, TO THIS STATE, IF THE ICC IS DESTROYED?

>> YES.

YES, I WOULD WORRY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, IF WE TALK ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW, TALK ABOUT A BELIEF IN THE WORLD THAT IS SOMETHING MORE THAN LIGHT EQUALS RIGHT THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO PROTECT THESE KINDS OF INSTITUTIONS I BELIEVE FIRMLY NOT ONLY IN THE EXISTENCE OF THE ICC BUT ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF THE UNITED STATES BECOMING A PARTY TO THAT SAME INSTITUTION.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE OUT OF ALLOTTED TIME BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE FINAL QUESTION BECAUSE I'VE INTERVIEWED YOUR FATHER, AND I'VE INTERVIEWED YOUR MOTHER BECAUSE OF HER INCREDIBLE FILMS, DID SHE HAVE A BIG INFLUENCE ON YOU AND YOUR CAMPAIGNING, OR THE WAY YOU WERE ABLE TO BE SO CREATIVE AND BE SO FILMLIKE ABOUT IT?

>> SHE ABSOLUTELY DID.

AND IT'S SOMETHING I CAN NEVER TRULY DESCRIBE, THE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING A MOTHER WHO IS ALSO ONE OF YOUR FAVORITE FILM DIRECTORS AND I'VE OFTEN SAID MY FAVORITE FILM IS MISSISSIPPI MASALA, I WOULDN'T BE ALIVE IF IT WASN'T FOR IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MY PARENTS MET AND ONE THING MY MOTHER HAS ALWAYS SAID IS IF WE DON'T TELL OUR OWN STORIES, NO ONE ELSE WILL.

SO WHEN I HOPED TO DO ALSO IN THE POLITICS THAT I'M A PART OF, IS TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE TELLING THE STORIES THAT ARE OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN IT COMES TO THE HALLS OF POWER AND SO OFTEN THOSE ARE THE STORIES THAT WORKING-CLASS NEW YORKERS WHO HAVE BILLED THE CITY, THAT ARE BEING PUSHED OUT.

>> MAYOR ZOHRAN MAMDANI, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INTERVIEW.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> A REALLY BUSY WEEK FOR THIS MAYOR, TRYING TO BUILD COALITIONS NOT JUST IN THIS COUNTRY BUT NOW AROUND THE WORLD WITH LEADERS VISITING HIS CITY ON BEHALF OF PEOPLE AND WHAT MAKES THEIR LIVES BETTER AND MORE AFFORDABLE.

> >> THERE ARE MANY CHALLENGES TO BE DISCUSSED IN THE HALLS AND IN THE CORRIDORS IN THE BUILDING BEHIND ME.

EUROPE FACES MANY OF THEM, AND, WE HAVE BEEN SPEAKING FOR INSTANCE ABOUT THE FAR RIGHT, WHICH IS GAINING GROUND IN IMPORTANT EU POWERS LIKE GERMANY, BOLSTERED BY IMMIGRATION AND A RISE IN ENERGY COSTS AMONGST OTHER THINGS AND IN SPAIN, IS A DIFFICULT MOMENT FOR THE PRIME MINISTER, PEDRO SANCHEZ.

THE LONG LEADING LEFT-LEANING VOICE IN THE EU AND HIS GOVERNMENT IS STILL GRAPPLING WITH THE AFTERMATH OF AN OVERWHELMING INFLUX OF MIGRANTS INTO, AS WE DISCUSSED JUST AHEAD OF THE SUMMIT, STARTING.

>> PRIME MINISTER, WELCOME BACK TO THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS YET AGAIN, THE ANNUAL SUMMIT AND IT JUST SEEMS THERE'S A CHANGE OF MOOD.

ON THE ONE HAND, SO MANY ISSUES THAT WHO KNOWS WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO GET SOLVED, ON THE OTHER HAND, I GET THE FEELING THAT LEADERS SUCH AS YOU AND OTHERS IN THE ALLIANCE, ARE KIND OF GETTING FED UP WITH THE TRUMP METHOD TOWARD YOU ALL?

LAST YEAR HE SAID YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL BECAUSE OF YOUR POLICIES.

>> YOU SEE THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN SPAIN IS DOING QUITE WELL, ALSO, THE EMPLOYMENT CREATION AND THERE ARE POLICIES THAT ARE IMPLEMENTED IN SPAIN THAT DELIVER TO NORMAL PEOPLE.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE UN, I THINK THERE IS A MOMENTUM WHERE WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING COMMON RESPONSES TO GLOBAL CHALLENGES SUCH AS CLIMATE CHANGE OR AI AND THE IMPLICATIONS THAT WE WILL HAVE FOR OUR SOCIETY.

>> AND ARE YOU NOT DECLARING IT BUT LIKE CARNEY IS DOING, EVEN LIKE PRESIDENT LULA IS DOING, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET AROUND THE OBSTRUCTION FROM THE UNITED STATES AND THE ASSAULT ON ALLIANCES?

>> I THINK WE HAVE GOOD EXAMPLES OF HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE OTHER FORMS WHERE YOU SEE THAT THERE ARE DELIVERIES FOR OUR CITIZENS BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STRENGTHEN THE UN, SO, IN A WAY, WE ADVOCATE NOT FOR MULTILATERALISM BUT MAXIMUM, WHICH MEANS THAT PERHAPS THERE IS THE TEMPTATION OF LEADERS TO WORK WITH LIKE-MINDED PARTNERS, SO WE ADVOCATE FOR THE CONTRARY, WE NEED TO OPEN THE SCOPE AND STRENGTHEN OUR COLLECTIVE ACTION.

BY THE WAY, I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN THIS SUMMIT, I'M ALSO OF COURSE, TILL THE END OF THE YEAR, TO APPOINT THE FIRST WOMAN -- >> OH, YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> WE ARE WORKING AS THE SPANISH GOVERNMENT.

I THINK HALF THE POPULATION, IT'S TIME FOR THE FIRST SECRETARY GENERAL OF THE UN.

>> STILL, THE NEVER ENDING ISSUE ROILING POLITICS WHETHER IT'S IN THE UNITED STATES OR EUROPE IS IMMIGRATION, MIGRATION.

YOU PRESIDE OVER WHAT IS GENERALLY SEEN AS A DISASTER, THE DISASTER WHERE TENS OF THOUSANDS AS WE ALL SAW, RUSHED IN, AND YOU HAD A DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO CALM IT DOWN.

THEY'RE STILL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIES, SOME MAXIMUM 15,000 MIGRANTS, SOMEHOW WANDERING AROUND.

WHAT DID YOU GUYS DO WRONG?

>> FIRST OF ALL, THERE ARE TWO SPANISH CITIES IN AFRICA, SO NOT ONLY THE SPANISH CITIES BUT THE EUROPEAN BORDER, THE TERRITORIAL BORDER, IN AFRICA.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ASK FOR THAT SOLIDARITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNION.

AND WE'VE SUFFERED DURING THE CRISIS.

WE SHOWED SOLIDARITY IN ITALY WHEN THEY SOFTENED THE MIGRATION CRISIS, WE SHOWED SOLIDARITY IN GREENLAND WHEN OTHER GOVERNMENTS QUESTIONED THE INTEGRITY OF DENMARK AND GREENLAND AND WE ASKED FOR THAT SOLIDARITY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

SO, I CAN TELL YOU OVER THE LAST 80 YEARS WE HAVE POSITIVE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH MOROCCO AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR ANSWERS AND ACCESS BECAUSE IT'S CLEAR FOR US THAT IT'S BORDER CONTROL MECHANISM FAILED, AND HOW DO WE MANAGE THIS MIGRATION CRISIS?

SO WE UNDERSTAND QUITE WELL THAT THE WORLD IS WATCHING US AND WE WILL SHOW THAT SECURITY CAN BE PROVIDED WITHOUT, OR, YEAH, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF HUMAN DIGNITY.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE RECOVERING THE NORMALITY, IN THE CITY AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE ARE ALSO PROVIDING THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR THOSE MIGRANTS WHO HAVE THE RIGHT FOR INTERNATIONAL PROTECTION.

>> YOUR GOVERNMENT AS DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS WHICH APPEAR TO SHOW THAT ACTUALLY YOU ALL WERE WARNED THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN THIS KIND OF THING.

>> ACTUALLY, THOSE DOCUMENTS SHOW THERE WAS NO CLEAR EVIDENCE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

AGAIN, WE ARE INVESTIGATING WHAT HAPPENED IN THOSE DAYS, BACK IN JULY BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE ASKED MOROCCO FOR ANSWERS BECAUSE IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT IT'S A BORDER CONTROL FAILURE.

AGAIN, WE NEED TO HAVE THE POSITIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH MOROCCO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH MOROCCO AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO RETURN MOST OF THE MIGRANTS TO THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN WHICH IS MOROCCO.

>> AGAIN, THERE'S SOME 15,000 SO YOU GOT STILL A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

>> AND WE WILL DO IT.

WE WILL DO IT WITH DIGNITY, -- >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> IN SPAIN IT MEANS THAT MIGRANTS ARE NOT CODDLED, THEY ARE HUMANS, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.

>> DO YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MUCH SUCCESS WITH YOUR MIGRATION POLICY OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS, AND AS YOU USED TO TELL ME, AND EVEN HELPED PROPEL THE GDP, ET CETERA, AND THIS IS A REALLY BIG STAIN ON YOUR RECORD.

NOT ONLY THAT, YOU CAN SEE THE RESULTS OF ELECTIONS IN EUROPE RIGHT NOW, AND IT PROBABLY THREATENS YOUR COUNTRY AS WELL, THAT MIGRATION, WHAT THEY ARE ABLE TO USE, THE FAR RIGHT, IS WINNING THEM ELECTIONS.

YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN GERMANY, EVEN THE GERMAN CHANCELLOR, AN ALLY, SAY THIS IS A DISASTER, THAT'S HIS WORDS, WHAT HAPPENED IN THE BERLIN ELECTIONS, AND -- >> LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN SWEDEN.

>> THAT'S THE MINORITY RIGHT NOW.

>> I KNOW.

>> IN FRANCE -- >> WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I UNDERSTAND, THEN WHEN THEY COME TO OFFICE, ANGER IS TRANSFORMING TO DECEPTION BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY DON'T DELIVER, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALREADY WITNESSING IN SOME COUNTRIES AND YOU SEE IT IN THE GENERAL ELECTIONS FOR INSTANCE IN SWEDEN BUT ALSO THE NETHERLANDS.

SO, WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT YEARS WITH THE FAR RIGHT, BUT FROM OUR PROGRESSIVE PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO DELIVER FOR COMMON CITIZENS, DELIVERING ON MINIMUM WAGE, DELIVER ON LABOR RIGHTS AND SOCIAL RIGHTS, FIGHT AGAINST INEQUALITIES, OF COURSE, STAND FOR GENDER EQUALITY.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT MY EXPERIENCE, PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT FROM THEIR GOVERNMENTS.

>> THE BIG ISSUE IN EUROPE IS THE RUSSIA THREAT.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IS THE RUSSIA THREAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, PUTIN HAS JUST HAVE THESE ELECTIONS, I KNOW MANY PEOPLE THINK IT'S HIGHLY STAGE-MANAGED, SO MANY PEOPLE THINK IT'S THEATRICAL BUT HE WOULD LIKELY USE IT AS A REFERENDUM ON HIS WAR.

DO YOU THINK HE IS EMBOLDENED OR DO YOU THINK HE SEES THAT THERE IS NO END FOR NEGOTIATIONS, HE DOESN'T SEEM TO SEE THAT RIGHT NOW.

WHAT YOU THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOULD SAY TO ZELENSKYY OF UKRAINE WHEN HE MEETS HIM OR THE NEXT TIME HE MEETS PUTIN OR TALK TO PUTIN.

>> IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, I THINK THAT PUTIN ALREADY LOST THE WAR.

>> BUT HE'S NOT STOPPING.

>> BUT IN THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR, BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING HIS PLANS WERE TO INVADE ALL OF UKRAINE, AND THIS HASN'T HAPPENED.

SO THE POINT IS THAT THE UNITED STATES, WE NEED TO STICK BEHIND UKRAINE, PROVIDING ALL THE CAPABILITIES THAT THEY NEED.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE OF THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A CLEAR VIOLATION OF THE TERRITORY WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAIN PRINCIPLES OF THE UN CHARTER AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS NOT ONLY IN UKRAINE BUT IT'S ALSO HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST, SO, I THINK AVOIDING THE DOUBLE STANDARD AND PROVIDING THAT UNITY AND THE CAPABILITIES IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT NOT ONLY FOR UKRAINE BUT ALSO THE SECURITY OF THE EUROPEAN UNION.

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

> >> NOW, NO ONE PREPARES YOU FOR THE DRAMA OF LIFE, THE HARD BREAK OF LOSING PEOPLE THAT YOU LOVE OR THE LIFE YOU EXPECTED TO LIVE OR THE LONELINESS.

THE WELL-KNOWN AMERICAN SINGER AND SONGWRITER SARA BAREILLES HAS HAD A VERY DIFFICULT FEW YEARS.

BEHIND THE GLAMOUR OF HER SUCCESSFUL CAREER, SHE'S BEEN DEALING WITH PERSONAL BATTLES RANGING FROM ANXIETY, TO MOURNING, HER NEW ALBUM AND DOCUMENTARY ARE A TESTAMENT TO OVERCOMING.

SHE AND DIRECTOR JOSH ALEXANDER SPEAK TO HARI SREENIVASAN ABOUT THE JOURNEY RIGHT NOW.

>> THANKS.

SARA BAREILLES, JOSH ALEXANDER, THE NAME OF THE DOCUMENTARY, GOOD GRIEF, IS REALLY FASCINATING.

THIS IS THE FIRST ALBUM THAT YOU ARE MAKING AND WHAT, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS, MAYBE MORE?

THERE'S A LOT OF GRIEF THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WORKING THROUGH, WHAT WAS BEHIND IT?

>> A LOT OF LOSS AND A LOT OF BIG TRANSFORMATIVE LIFE EXPERIENCES.

I THINK STARTING WITH THE PANDEMIC IN 2020 AND THEN SHORTLY FOLLOWED BY THE DEATH OF A VERY DEAR, CLOSE FRIEND, FOLLOWED BY THE DEATH OF ANOTHER DEAR, CLOSE FRIEND, FOLLOWED BY, THE DEMISE OF DEMOCRACY, I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH TO GRIEVE, SO MANY THINGS TO GRIEVE.

AND YEAH, IT DIDN'T FEEL EXACTLY LIKE A CHOICE TO CREATE THIS RECORD WITH THIS KIND OF THEMATIC STRUCTURE HOWEVER, THAT'S HOW IT WORKED OUT AND I THINK, IT WAS VERY ORGANIC, THE UNFOLDING OF YOU KNOW, MY PROCESSING AS A WRITER, IS TO TAKE THESE THINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO METABOLIZE AND TRY TO PURPOSEFULLY PUT THEM SOMEWHERE, SO THIS COLLECTION OF SONGS STARTED TO GATHER IN 2020, THEN IT WAS COMPLETED IN 2025 AND WE STARTED RECORDING AND INVITED JOSH INTO BEAR WITNESS TO THE EXPERIMENTATION AROUND CAPTURING THIS VERY RAW, VERY TENDER MATERIAL THAT YOUR RIGHT, IS PRETTY HEAVY STUFF.

IT'S ABOUT LOSS AND TRANSITION AND CHANGE AND WHAT WE LET GO OF, A LITTLE BIT OF A FREEFALL.

I THINK WHY I COULDN'T RIDE WAS BECAUSE I WASN'T READY TO BE LIKE ON HIS.

>> MY BEST FRIEND WAS DIAGNOSED WITH STAGE IV LUNG CANCER AT THE END OF 2019.

MY GRIEF IS LIKE CRACKED OPEN RIGHT NOW AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT MUSIC DOES.

IT'S LIKE MOVING AROUND AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.

CARIOUS HOME >> ANNOUNCER >> SARA, THIS REALLY KIND OF, FROM ALMOST THE FIRST SCENE, WE ARE THRUST INTO THIS IDEA THAT THIS IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW EACH OTHER, CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER, HAVEN'T SEEN EACH OTHER IN QUITE SOME TIME, AND YOU JUST JUMP RIGHT INTO SOME HEAVY CONVERSATIONS.

THERE WERE THESE ALMOST FLY ON THE WALL SORT OF MOMENTS WHERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MICROPHONES WERE, I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS WERE BUT THEY WERE PICKING UP A LOT OF YOU KNOW, INTIMATE CONVERSATIONS AND LOTS OF TEARS.

>> YEAH, AND LOTS OF LAUGHTER THAT I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, ONE OF THE GREAT MYSTERIES OF GRIEF IS HOW MUCH JOY IS ALSO EMBEDDED IN PROCESSING GRIEF ESPECIALLY WITH OTHER PEOPLE, YEAH, I INVITED SOME VERY TRUSTED COLLABORATORS AND A LOT OF ARTISTS, I'VE HAD A LOT OF ARTISTS REACH OUT TO ME AFTER SEEING THE FILM AND SAYING HOW NICE IT IS TO GET A CHANCE TO TOUCH IN ON WHAT IT CAN BE LIKE IN THE STUDIO, IT ISN'T ALWAYS LIKE THIS BUT, WHEN YOU HAVE A KIND OF SHORTHAND WITH YOUR COPILOTS AND YOU KNOW, THERE IS A KIND OF MYSTICISM AROUND THE MAKING OF MUSIC.

THERE IS SOMETHING UNKNOWABLE, AND UNFORESEEN THAT TRANSPIRES OR CAN TRANSPIRE AND YOU GO IN WITH THE HOPE THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DISCOVER SOMETHING ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER.

SO, IT'S VERY THRILLING AND VERY VULNERABLE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE STEPPING INTO THE UNKNOWN.

I KNEW THAT THIS MATERIAL, WHICH WAS DEALING WITH YOU KNOW, SO MUCH LOSS, A FERTILITY STRUGGLE, DEATH OF FRIENDS, YOU KNOW, JUST REALLY HARD MATERIAL, I KNEW THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN REALLY CAPABLE, CARING HANDS, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET TO SEE IN THIS BEAUTIFUL FILM IS JUST THESE UNBELIEVABLE ARTISTS, WHO KNOW WHEN TO MAKE A JOKE OR WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND YOU OR NOT SAY A SINGLE WORD.

IT'S A MOVING EXPERIENCE TO GRIEVE AND COMMUNITY AND TO REALLY EXPERIENCE THE TRANSMUTATION OF THE EMOTION BECAUSE OF THAT.

>> JOSH, WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR YOUR CREW AND YOURSELF AND YOUR TEAM, THAT WAS IN THE ROOM, WHERE IT WAS HAPPENING, AND I WONDER, YOU KNOW, DID YOUR CREW END UP TALKING ABOUT THINGS IN THEIR OWN LIVES OR BOND IN A DIFFERENT WAY, THEN MAYBE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DOCUMENTARY THAT YOU WORKED ON WHERE EVERYBODY CLOCKS IN AND OUT?

>> THE WHOLE THING FELT LIKE SUMMER CRAMP --CAMP, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE WE STARTED SHOOTING WAS, SHE REALLY TALK ME THROUGH HER INTENTIONALITY OF WHO SHE WAS BRINGING THAT WE, SO MY PRODUCING PARTNER DANIEL AND I KNEW THAT WE NEEDED TO BRING PEOPLE THAT WOULD SHOW UP IN THE SAME WAY.

AND IF THERE IS ONE LESSON FOR ME THAT SUCH A HUGE TAKE AWAY FROM THIS FILM AND FROM SERAS BRAVERY AND THE MUSIC, IS THAT, AND SARA TALKS ABOUT IT AS WELL, GRIEF NEEDS TO BE WITNESSED.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE METABOLIZED ALONE.

AND SO, WHO YOU ASK TO WITNESS YOUR GRIEF, AND HOW YOU SHOW UP WHEN YOU ARE WITNESSING SOMEONE ELSE'S GRIEF, SO MY CREW, ALL OF US WERE ON THE EXACT SAME RIDE AND ANOTHER THING SARA AND I DECIDED, THE CREW AND THE BAND, WE WOULD ALL EAT LUNCH TOGETHER EVERY DAY SO WE ALL FELT LIKE WE WERE THERE, DOING ONE PROJECT TOGETHER, IT WASN'T LIKE THERE WAS A SEPARATE FILM CREW FILMING THIS PIECE OF ART.

AND SO, THOSE WERE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO IN THIS SETTING AND CREATING OF THE CONTAINER, THAT I THINK ALLOWED ALL OF US TO BE EXPERIENCING SOMETHING.

AND THESE SCENES WOULD HAPPEN, WE WOULD TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK AND THE CREW WOULD END UP IN A CORNER TALKING ABOUT LOSS AND GRIEF AND STRUGGLING TO HAVE CHILDREN AND ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, SO, WE WERE ON THE SAME RIDE.

>> TELL ME >> WHEN YOU WATCH ALL OF THIS FOOTAGE, AND YOU REMEMBER YOUR FRIENDSHIP WITH SARA BEFORE THE FILM AND AFTER, WHAT DID YOU LEARN FROM THIS, THAT KIND OF LEAPT OUT AT YOU RATHER IT WAS ABOUT THE PROCESS?

>> YOU SEE THIS IN THE FILM, YOU ALMOST SEE NO PHONES.

>> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> EVERYONE IS JUST PRESENT, AND THERE'S A THING THAT YOU DO IN A SOUND MIX IN A MOVIE WHERE YOU WILL TURN OFF ALL THE, OF EVERYONE NOT SPEAKING, SO I MOVED MY SOUND MIXER AND I REALIZED SOMETHING WAS MISSING I WENT BACK AND RETURNED ON EVERYONE'S LAGS AND YOU HEARD THIS ACTIVE LISTENING THE PEOPLE WEREN'T JUST THERE, YOU HEARD THEM BREATHING, YOU HEARD THEM MAKING SOUNDS AND YOU COULD FEEL WHAT IT MEANS TO SHOW UP.

AND SO, THAT IS WHAT THAT WHOLE WEEK FELT LIKE, ALSO, JUST THE BEAUTY IN SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

SARA TALKS A LOT ABOUT THIS, RECENTLY, SARA'S BEEN SAYING THAT SHE JUST WANTS TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AND I THINK YOU SEE THAT IN THIS FILM.

THERE'S A LOT OF FALSITY OUT THERE ALL THE TIME NOW.

TO SEE THE BRAVERY OF PEOPLE, SEEING WHAT THEY FEEL IN THE MOMENT AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FEELING INTO AND SPEAKING THE TRUTH AROUND LOSS AND GRIEF, WE THINK THERE WILL BE SUFFERING ON THE OTHER SIDE BUT ACTUALLY, THERE'S JOY, THERE'S RELEASE, THERE'S A SOFTENING OF THE HEART, THERE IS CONNECTION, SO I THINK WE ALL WANT AND ARE HUNGRY FOR PERMISSION STRUCTURE TO FEEL THIS STUFF AND SPEAK IT BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE INVITED INTO A CONTAINER THAT ALLOWS YOU TO, IF THE OPPOSITE OF FEELING BAD, IT'S JUST JOYFUL.

>> SARA, I GUESS, MAYBE A SIMILAR QUESTION FOR YOU.

EARLY IN THE FILM YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU ARE A CONTROL FREAK AND HERE'S A PROJECT WHERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE LOTS OF STUFF THAT YOU DON'T CONTROL, I GUESS WATCHING NOW THE FINISHED PROJECT, WHAT DID YOU LEARN ABOUT YOURSELF ON WHERE MAYBE YOU HAVE HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOU ARE BUT THEN SEEING IT ON CAMERA WAS DIFFERENT.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK THE THING I AM A CONTROL FREAK ABOUT IS, THE TRUTH TELLING.

BECAUSE, WHEN I HAVE LEARNED, ESPECIALLY FROM EXPERIENCING GRIEF AND REALLY WORKING TO LIKE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS THAT SO MUCH OF OUR LIVES ARE BASED AROUND THIS ILLUSION OF CONTROL.

AND THAT WE ARE REALLY, ULTIMATELY, AT THE SEAT OF IT ALL.

WE ARE ALL IN A FREEFALL, THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

WE DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER OUR LIVES OR YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS TO US OR THE PEOPLE WE LOVE, TO A TERRIFYING DEGREE.

SO THE IDEA THAT I'M TRYING TO LIKE MAKE SOMETHING, ANYTHING, IT SEEMS SO YOUNG TO ME, EVEN A YEAR LATER.

I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL BUT THE THING I FEEL REALLY COMMITTED TO, AND REALLY DOGGED ABOUT, IS, I EXPECT PEOPLE TO TELL ME THE TRUTH, THINKING ABOUT MY WORKING RELATIONSHIPS AND MY PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS.

I EXPECT PEOPLE TO TELL ME THE TRUTH AND I REALLY WORK HARD TO TELL THEM THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE.

I WANT TO LIVE IN A SPACE THAT HAS IT'S MUCH CLARITY AND UNDERSTANDING AS IS POSSIBLE.

>> JOSH, THIS DOES NOT FEEL WHEN YOU'RE WATCHING IT, LIKE SOMETHING THAT THE RECORD LABEL PUT OUT AS A PART OF THE PROMOTIONAL TOUR.

WAS THAT SORT OF CONSCIOUS IN WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, I MEAN, HOW DID YOU MAKE SURE?

>> THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

IT WAS FULLY CONSCIOUS, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTEN USED TO THESE CERTAIN KIND OF BENCHMARK GENRES THAT HAPPEN.

THERE'S A LOT OF SLUMP BIO DOCS, SOME OF THEM ARE BEAUTIFUL BUT A LOT OF THEM ARE HITTING THESE CLICHES AND EXPECTATIONS AND THE WHOLE EXPECTATION WAS TO TRY TO, AND IT'S NOT NEW TO ME, IT'S BORROWING FROM THE DUTIFUL LONG TRADITION OF DOCUMENTARIES WHETHER IT'S SCORSESE, THE LAST WALTZ, THE ARETHA FRANKLIN DOCUMENTARY THAT CAME OUT, AMAZING GRACE, THERE'S BEAUTIFUL FILMS, DON'T LOOK BACK, SO HOW DO YOU SHOW UP AND LET THE STORY UNFOLD OF ITS OWN VOLITION, ITS OWN VELOCITY, AND ITS OWN UNWINDING UNFOLDING, SO THAT WAS ALWAYS THE INTENTION.

ALSO, TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T GET THIS JOYFUL EXPERIENCE OF WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE TO BE IN A MUSIC STUDIO, TO HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

YOU ARE HEARING SARA PLAY A SONG FOR THE FIRST TIME, FOR THAT BAND THAT SHE'S NEVER PLAYED OUT LOUD BEFORE.

AND, THEN AS SHE STARTS TO RECORD IT AND THEY START TWO DIFFERENT INSTRUMENTS, ALL OF THAT WAS SO DELICIOUS AND SO GENERATIVE.

THIS FELT LIKE THE RIGHT WAY TO TELL THE STORY.

>> WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR SONGS FROM?

WHERE DOES IT COME FROM?

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION I THINK EVERY ARTIST HAS A DIFFERENT ANSWER AND MY ANSWER IS SORT OF, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I MEAN, ON THIS PARTICULAR RECORD, I HAD EXPERIENCES THAT I'M REFERRING TO AS LIKE TRANSMISSIONS, WHICH IS NOT USUAL FOR ME.

I'M A LITTLE MORE OF A CRAFTSMAN, LIKE, I SIT DOWN, USUALLY THE MUSIC COMES FIRST AND THEN I AM CRAFTING A LYRIC.

OFTENTIMES IT STARTS WITH A THEME OR AN IDEA OR THERE'S SOME PHRASE THAT FEELS LIKE THE NUCLEAR SEVEN IDEA THAT I CAN PARSE APART INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE OF A FULL MEAL.

BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL SONGS ON THIS RECORD THAT WERE WHAT I'M REFERRING TO AS TRANSMISSION.

THERE'S A SONG CALLED JUST A KID ABOUT MY FRIEND CHAD JOSEPH WHO PASSED AWAY IN 2020 AND I WAS WALKING HOME FROM THE GROCERY STORE AND I HAD TWO HANDS FULL OF BAGS OF GROCERIES MAY HAD TO PUT DOWN MY GROCERY BAGS AND SEEING INTO MY PHONE BECAUSE I COULD FEEL THIS SONG ARRIVING AND I GOT HOME AND I PUT THE GROCERIES AWAY AND I WROTE THE SONG.

AND THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL FOR ME, BUT, IT HAPPENED A FEW DIFFERENT TIMES ON THIS RECORD.

AND I HAVE TO FEEL THAT THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE VEIL BEING THIN.

I THINK THAT WHEN YOU START REALLY EXCAVATING THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS LIFE AND WHATEVER COMES NEXT, I THINK THAT IS VERY THIN ALL THE TIME.

AND, I THINK THIS MUSIC IS REALLY POROUS, AND IT'S REALLY FULL OF THE LIVES OF MY FRIENDS THAT ARE NO LONGER WITH US, AND OTHER STORIES, YOU KNOW, I WROTE ONE SONG, A SONG CALLED HOME INSPIRED BY A CONVERSATION BETWEEN STEPHEN COLBERT AND ANDERSON COOPER, ON HIS PODCAST, ALL THERE IS, BUT YEAH, IT WAS JUST THE STORIES THAT WE TELL ABOUT OUR LIVES, THEY ARE JUST SO IMPORTANT.

I FELT LIKE THEY WANTED TO BELONG TOGETHER.

STARING ACROSS THE GREAT DIVIDE >> YOU ARE HAVING POP-UP SHOWS, YOU ON A TOUR, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A COLLECTIVE RELEASE, WHETHER IT'S GRIEF OR JOY, AND IT'S ALL HAPPENING AND YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IT ONLINE AND PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK SAYING, IT WAS SUCH A GOOD CRY.

IT'S LIKE WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

>> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK IS REMARKABLE, I THINK, IT'S A RITUAL.

IT'S TURNED INTO THESE KIND OF ORGANIC, GRIEF RITUALS THAT, AND THERE IS DANCING AND IS JUMPING UP AND DOWN, VERY INTENTIONALLY, THE SHOW IS BUILT TO SORT OF TAKE YOU THROUGH THE ALBUM AND THERE'S GOOD GRIEF AND THERE'S GOOD RELIEF.

AND SO, IT'S WANTING TO ENCOMPASS THE VASTNESS OF THE EXPERIENCE, GRIEF HOLDS SO MUCH BUT IT IS, I'M FINDING PEOPLE ARE NOT ON THEIR PHONES, THEY ARE NOT RECORDING THE SHOWS.

OR THEY RECORD FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, VERY INTENTIONALLY, AND THAT HAS BEEN REMARKABLE, IT'S NOT A REQUEST, NOT SOMETHING WE ARE ASKING PEOPLE TO DO.

THEY ARE JUST SITTING AND EXPERIENCING SOMETHING IN REAL TIME WITH A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRESENCE THAT HAS BEEN SO SURPRISING TO ME.

I GOT THIS INCREDIBLE QUESTION FROM THIS HOSPICE WORKER WHO CAME AND SAID, I HAD A PATIENT ASKED ME WHAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF GRIEF, AND HE'S LIKE I LIKE TO KNOW YOUR ANSWER.

AND I THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE, AND I CAUGHT MYSELF AND MY, I THINK MY IMPULSIVE ANSWER IS TO SAY JOY BUT I CAN FEEL IN MY MOUTH, THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH JOY IN GRIEF AND I ASKED WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION AND HE SAID, THE OPPOSITE OF GRIEF IS FORGETFULNESS.

I HAD TO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.

AND HE'S LIKE, GRIEF IS REMEMBERING, AND IT MOVED ME SO MUCH.

AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY COMING TO THIS SHOW INTO THIS MUSIC AND TO THIS FILM BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THEY WANT TO REMEMBER ABOUT THEMSELVES, ABOUT PEOPLE THEY LOVED, WHO THEY LOST, OR PETS OR EXPERIENCES, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY RICH EXPERIENCE.

>> DIRECTOR JOSH ALEXANDER AND MUSICIAN SARA BAREILLES, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANKS FOR THIS CONVERSATION.

>> FINDING A WAY THROUGH.

AND FINALLY, DESPITE A HORRENDOUS YEAR OF CLIMATE CATASTROPHES, THERE IS FRESH HOPE THAT LEADERS GATHERED IN THAT BUILDING BEHIND ME WILL TAKE DECISIVE ACTION THE UNITED STATES IS BUSY DISMANTLING ALL SORTS OF PROVISIONS, FOR INSTANCE, COMBATING POLLUTION TO SAFEGUARD WILDERNESS AND ENDANGERED SPECIES AT HOME.

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